7.65 x 53mm Rifling & Twist. 4 Groove, Right Hand Twist Barrel Length. Mw3 mod tool ps3.
(556mm) Overall Length. (1056mm) Weight. (3.59kg) Magazine Capacity.
5 rounds (staggered column box) Qty Mfg. 43,072 total (1910-1959). 24,000 by DWM (1910-1911) Source. Argentine Mauser Rifles 1871-1959 by Colin Webster - ISBN: Canadian Market Value Estimate: $ 1909 Argentine Cavalry Carbine (47 picture virtual tour) Observations: In the mid 1880’s the Argentine army was using the Remington Rolling Block Rifle, after which they switched to the Model 1891 Mauser and finally, the Model 1909. The 1909 Argentine Mauser was manufactured under contract by DWM in Germany for the Argentine government and it was also later produced in Agentine factories. It's built on the large ring Mauser 98 style action and it was made in 4 versions, the 1909 Rifle, the 1909 sniper, 1909 Cavalry (shown here), and the 1909 Mountain Carbine, each of the last three in limited numbers. The 1909 Cavalry carbine is a 98 Mauser with a few variances: Hinged floor plate, with a release in the front of the trigger guard; Shorter length; Front sight with protective ears; Tangent rear sight; Extended bolt release lever; and a Full-length Mannlicher style stock.
Collector's Comments and Feedback: 1. From the December issue, pages 328 - 330 BY MARION MERICLE In the last two years many Argentine Carbines have come into the country. I will try to discuss the different versions and details about them. The first type M-1909 Arg. Carbine (cavalry) was made in Germany, for Argentina, by 'D.W.M.'
On the left side of the ring, in two lines is: (1) MAUSER MODELO (2) ARGENTINA 1909 (This can be be found in 'Handbook of Military Rifle Marks' page 1 Illus. #18.) (I will call this reference (H) in the rest of the article, as usual). On the top of the receiver ring is: The Argentine Crest (H) page 91 Illus. #1.) On the right ring is the serial number. (All the German made M-1909 Carbines and rifles I have seen have a capital letter preceding the 4 digit serial number.) On the left receiver rail, in two lines, is (1) DEUTSCHE WAFFEN-UND (2) MUNITIONS FABRIKEN, BERLIN ((H) page #22 Illus. #6.) The second type of Argentine carbine (cavalry) is one of two types made in Argentina. On the left ring, in two lines is (1) F.M.A.P.
(2) MAUSER MOD. 1909 ((H) page 1, illus. #19b.) On the ring top is the Argentine crest and below the crest EJERCITO ARGENTINO.
On the right ring is the serial number. (I have only had two of this type of carbine: serial #008254 which I purchased at the Sears outlet store in Covington, Ga., in 1975, and #006898 which I purchased from 'AIM' on 7-99.) On the left rail in two lines are (1) DIRECCION GENERAL DE (2) FABRICACIONES MILITARES ((H) page 1, illus. #19a.) The third type of Argentine Carbine (Calvary) is the other type as made in Argentina. On the left ring, in two lines are: (1) EJERCITO ARGENTINO (2) MAUSER MOD. 1909 ((H) page 1, illus. #17) On the top ring is the Argentine crest. On the right ring is the serial number and on the left rail is D.G.F.M.-(F.M.A.P.).
This third type has more serial numbers, in my case, than the second type. Some serial numbers on the third type that have came through my shop and collection in the past two years are: 000356, 000887, 001809, 001812, 002495, 003326, 004781 and 008250.
Now to the fourth type. This is the so called mountain or engineers carbine. All I have seen are marked made at D.W.M., just like the first type M-1909 carbines and all M-1909 long rifles.
The six or so I have seen are all in the 'A' prefix serial number range. (I have never seen a German made M-1909 or M-1891 Mauser without some letter prefix.) This Carbine is not stocked to the muzzle like the first three types (cavalry.) They have the M-1909 and M-1891 bayonet adapter ( like the M-1909 long rifle), M-1909 long rifle front sight, M-1909 long rifle bottom sling swivels, M-1909 cavalry carbines short rear sight (1400meters), and short cavalry carbine type 21&1/2 inch or so barrel. (The M-1909 long rifle has a long 2000 meter rear sight and a 29 inch or so barrel.) At the same time the M-1909 mountain engineers carbines came in, M-1901 engineers mountain carbines came in, also made by 'Loewe' or 'D.W.M.' The only difference between the regular M-1891 cavalry carbines is that on the M-1891 mountain engineers carbine a two piece bayonet lug assembly was added to attach an entrenchment tool or bayonet.
Now to some details on these four types of Argentine carbines. One thing is that no picture of the M-1909 engineers-mountain carbine exists as the picture in Ball's book on page 16, middle photograph, is wrong. (The picture shows a 1912 Steyr short rifle for Chile, Colombia or Mexico.) Another thing: three types of front nosecaps exist on M-1909 cavalry carbines: (1) on my early D.W.M.
Carbine, serial #A0150, the nosecap has a wood screw in the front below the barrel going into the front end of the stock wood. (The other two nosecaps are solid except for the barrel hole. (They must have decided not to use the wood screw after making the first few D.W.M. Type one carbines as this is the only one I have seen.) All of the other. Higher serial number D.W.M. Carbines I have seen have had the second (2) type nosecap (that follows.) This second (2) nosecap is in my case used on all the third type M-1909 calvary carbines I have seen.
The nosecap is just like the (1) first one without the front woodscrew hole. This second (2) and the first (1) type nosecap are alike in that the barrel does not come out of the nosecap. (The bayonet fits on a sleeve that is part of the nosecap and that sticks out beyond the barrel.) (The bullet goes through the larger than bullet diameter hole in the sleeve, like a muzzle brake or flash hider.) The third (3) and final nosecap is used on the second type of M-1909 cavalry carbine only on my two examples. This nosecap is different in that it does not have the extended sleeve as on the first (1) and second (2) type nosecaps. The barrel is a little longer so it can stick through the nosecap. (In other words, the nosecap is flat, like on the Swedish 94 carbine.
With the barrel sticking through the flat nosecap, the bayonet goes on the barrel.) On the earliest type three (3) M-1909 carbines the letters are smaller on the side rail. (As on my carbine, serial #000356. Summing up, all three type M-1909 Argentine (cavalry) carbines are alike except for the markings, barrel and front nosecap. While on the subject I have never seen a M-1909 Argentine long rifle that was made in Argentina; these were only made in Germany by D.W.M. Some translations: The D.W.M. On the side rail means German Arms and Ammunition Factory, Berlin.
Means General Office of Military Production. (F.M.A.P.) means Military Factory of Small Arms. EJERCITO ARGENINO means Argentine Army.
This is all I have on this subject for now, so if any members can add to this, do so. (Article by 'MARION MERICLE' from ).
Definitely not originally a 30-06 and likely not everything was changed. Originally chambered in 7.65 x 53, lots of these fine rifles were imported to the US in the early 1960s and bored out to fit the 30-06, but the barrel remained in it's.311 bore. Get it slugged to find out if this is the case. Back then you couldn't get the original Argentine ammo, now you can. If it slugs out to have the larger bore, you can find bullets and I'd reload them that way, provided it's safe. It's also possible it was rebarreled.
If it's in military dress, though, probably not. No, you'd have to get a rebarrel for the shorter chamber or find an original barrel and have it installed, if this is possible. Even if you found a barrel, the numbers would no longer match. Sears (among others) imported a bunch of these and had the chambers bored out.
These rifles are held to be among the finest if not THE finest military Mausers ever made, with classic blue that rivals the finest custom shop blue. In original condition, it's worth a whole lot more ($1000) than if converted ( $250). I've got a rifle that was custom built on a 1909 action, a 25-06. The action is a very desirable one.
I appreciate all of your insight. It has been the best info I have received on his rifle. The serial number begins with an 'L' which appears to date it to 1911.
You want to see some pictures of it? I can take some tonight and send if you have email. I'd like to take the guns and have them appraised for insurance purposes, because I'm not going to sell them as they are one of the last things I have of my grandfather. I have 3 of his guns and he was likely the last one to pull the trigger over 25 years ago. It will nice to for me to be the next one to fire these guns. I'm looking forward to that, especially since I've never fired a rifle/shotgun before.
Basically, if the bolt will close on a.30-06 round, it's definitely been modified. The 7.65 Argentine round is about 1/4' shorter than the -06, so it would be impossible to chamber a.30-06 round in an unmodified Argentine rifle.
If you reload, it will be possible to get excellent accuracy from the rifle by simply installing a.311' expander button in the.30-06 resizing die and using the same.311' diameter bullets that are sold for loading.303 British or 7.65 Japanese ammo. The weight selection of those bullets isn't nearly as widespread as.308's, but the accuracy will be noticeably better. To be sure about the bore size, find a piece of split shot fishing sinker slightly larger than the bore size, tap it down the barrel from chamber to muzzle with a piece of hardwood dowel rod and a mallet, and measure the slug that comes out the other end. The smallest diameter will be about.303' and the biggest will be around.311' if you've got a 7.65 MM bore size. Nice rifle; as Gene said, along with the Peruvian 1909, Brazilian 1908 and Chilean 1912, they might be the best Mauser rifles ever made regarding materials, fit & finish.
You have plenty of choices regarding what to do with it if you want to shoot it. Use 30-06 ammo; maybe if lucky enough, bore is rather new and 'tight' enough to engage the.308 bullets used in the 30-06. I've seen some local conversions of Peruvian 1909s and if bore was mint, they usually shoot pretty well. Don't know how many shots it'll stand before slowly loosing accuracy (Probably a few thousands), but might be worthwhile to try. If money is not an issue and this gun has more sentimental than collector's value to you, finding a decent 1909 29' spare barrel still in 7.65x53mm. Won't be hard; you'll need a gunsmith to do the job properly, including reinstalling & realigning the sights.
Won't be 100% matching but still very close to the 'as issued' condition. 7.65 Mauser ammo is still available brand-new and non-corrosive from 2 good ammo makers: Prvi Partizan from Serbia (FMJ & SP) and Hornady (SP only and more expensive). Another barrel source can be Lothar Walther; they make brand-new barrels for Mauser 98-style long military rifles in assorted calibers; will also need a qualified gunsmith to do the fitting job. If you reload, buy.311.313 bullets (Same size used in Enfields & Arisakas) and use them with 30-06 cases; will need some work in the case mouth to fit the oversize projectiles but that won't be an issue.
You can even use cast lead bullets with or even without gas checks (Keeping them below 1,000 fps) to fire very mild charges @ short & mid ranges. Recoil in this rather long, old infantry rifles isn't prohibitive due to the barrel's length & overall weigh; any average-sized adult can easily withstand it, but since you're new at it, along with proper gun safety & rifle shooting instruction, using some kind of padding between the steel buttplate and your shoulder might be a good idea until you learn how to handle it. Original bayonets & scabbards for the Argentinian 1909 are readily available in ebay and other web sources for probably around $ 50. Will only fit these rifles, so be sure what you're buying. Good luck with your fine rifle.
Would be a good idea to disassemble it and check for rust below the wood line and a proper cleaning & oiling. Typical sporterized Mauser. Sadly, a common practice in the '60s when they were dime-a-dozen even brand new, and they had little or none collector value. If you wish to return it to the original military configuration, you'll also need a complete stock & handguard set, including all the metal stock parts. Bolt handle has been bent down, so maybe at least a new bolt body will be needed too.
Here's a link to some pics of how it originally looked: Those parts are available in ebay, gunbroker.com, e-gunparts.com or Springfield Sporters. Won't increase the collector's value at all, but will at least return it to the factory configuration. It's interesting to here everyone say do this or that, even though I have no clue what you mean. But it's fun to read. I'm a rookie to all of this, so most of this is over my head. But I'm willing to listen and learn.
I don't know how to tell if it has a.311 bore. I took this Mauser, along with a couple of other guns (Winchester Model 1400 MKII 12 ga & according to Ruger a 1967 Ruger 10/22 Carbine), to a local gun shop for inspection and cleaning. The guy said the Mauser was a nice shooting gun but still can find them today and mine was probably worth around $150.00. He said it was probably a good thing that it was a 30.06 as the original ammo was difficult to find. He looked at the barrel and said it looked good and he pulled the trigger and said it sounded and felt good too. I don't know what all that means, but I left it with him to do his thing.
I guess we all want to have a nice, collectible gun. But I'm not sure I'm too caught up in how much it's worth or telling people hey look at my gun and how much it's worth. I think it'll just be cool to have a nice, reliable gun that I can learn to shoot well and have some fun doing it. I like this forum and a couple of others. Let's people like me asking simple questions and get some cool answers, and it seems like no one is really upset about answering such simple questions from a rookie. I see 3 or 4 places on my Mauser which bare a serial number, which all match and start with the letter 'L'.
And according to some others and what I've found online, it seems like this corresponds to it being made around 1911. Does this mean basically everything on the gun is from 1911 but the barrel has been modified for a 30-06 round? Could it be the original barrel but was modified for the 30-06? From one or two of my pictures that I posted, you can see some kind of proof mark on the gun, in a couple of places and some kind of crest/shield on top of the gun. What does all of that mean? I didn't know where my original post would lead, and all of this has been great learning for me. I love reading all of your opinions and thoughts about this gun, and look forward to learning and hearing more.
I hope all of you don't mind all of my questions. When I go back to pick up the gun, I'll probably buy some 30-06 ammo for it. Any recommendations for brands, grain size, etc?
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Hopefully will be able to take it out in a few weeks to shoot some. Do any of you buy ammo online or just in a local store? Better prices? Trying to figure out a good price for a box of 30-06 cartridges. How many rounds does this rifle hold at a time?
What kind of accuracy/range does a re-chambered Mauser 1909 to 30-06 have at various yardages? Assuming of course the person using the gun knows how to shoot. I just saw 2 deer run beside my house. Too bad I didn't have to gun, but I live in the city (rural area, but still city limits) so I guess I would have had to let it go anyway. First I think your lucky, you inherited a.22. The Ruger 10/22 is a fun gun to shoot and they're cheap to shoot. Find a local gun range and talk to the folks that run it I'm sure they will be willing to help and teach you.
Second go back to 'Teach's' post he had a lot of good advise. A 30-06 shoots a.308 diameter bullet. The Arg shot a 7.65 milimeter bullet, that equates.311. Because the 30-06 bullet (.308) is smaller than the.311 bullet you can shoot it out of your rifle. The bullet doesn't fit the barrel as well so the rifling (the twisting lines in the barrel) will not hold it correctly and it will not be as accurate as it could be. That's why folks are suggesting you have someone handload.311 bullets in a 30-06 case. Make your own cartridges.
A cartridge is the brass (case), primer, powder and bullet all put together. Don't worry about all that now take your 10/22 to the range and have some fun! There's a lot to learn and a lot of good folks there at the range that will help you learn it!
The value of it will be variable. Currently, they can be had for prices ranging from $350 to over $500, dependent on condition, presence of all matched numbers, original condi tion of metal furniture, etc. Gun Broker and Auction Arms are generally good sites to look at comparable models on sale, but may not necessarily determine the worth of the rifle in question, but rather, give a basic guideline. Curio and Relic collecting is a bit of a niche market, and is largely dependent on being able to find a buyer specifically interested in that particular rifle. There are several things which can depreciate the value of this type of firearm. Sporterizing, mismatched serial numbers, pitting on the metal, and refinishing are some examples. Also the rarity of rifles produced at specific arsenals, although, in the case of the Modelo 1909, it is likely that they were all manufactured by Deutsche Waffenfabrik.
Particularly rare years may also be a selling point, as well as a factor which may affect value. And a lot of it depends on the customer, as well. For someone intent on shooting the rifle, the relative scarcity of the 7.65x54 ammo may be a detractor, whereas it may not be for somebody who intends to buy it as a 'wall hanger' or 'safe queen'.
7.65 x 53mm Rifling & Twist. 4 Groove, Right Hand Twist Barrel Length. (740mm) Overall Length. (1250mm) Weight. (4.17kg) Magazine Capacity. 5 rounds (staggered column box) Qty Mfg. 160,000 (1909-1912) Source.
Argentine Mauser Rifles 1871-1959 by Colin Webster - ISBN: Canadian Market Value Estimate: $ 1909 Argentine Infantry Rifle (103 picture virtual tour) Observations: In the mid 1880’s the Argentine army was using the Remington Rolling Block Rifle, after which they switched to the Model 1891 Mauser and finally, the Model 1909. The 1909 Argentine Mauser was manufactured under contract by DWM in Germany for the Argentine government. It was also later produced in Agentine factories and it's built on the large ring Mauser 98 style action. It was made in 4 versions, the 1909 Rifle, the 1909 sniper, 1909 Cavalry, and the 1909 Mountain Carbine, each of the last three in limited numbers. The earlier model 1891 rifle made by DWM or Lowe of Germany, was small ring Mauser almost identical to turk 1890. On the model 1909, besides the larger ring for strength, the extractors were improved, as well as improving the gas porting and adding a third safety lug on the bolt.
Collector's Comments and Feedback: 1. Originally published in Guns & Ammo Magazine. To many collectors, this superbly made bolt-action military rifle represents the crown jewel of all Model 98 variants. By modern standards the Model 1909 classifies as somewhat unwieldy, thanks to its 29-inch barrel.
I can't recall the exact date in the mid-1950s, but I can remember what happened like it was last week. There, on a table at an Ohio gun show, was this beautiful rifle.
It talked to me, and I listened despite my father's warning that there was no sense in buying some 'foreign' rifle that shot ammo no one could get. But who ever said gun deals have to make sense? At the time I had no clue that there was any difference in status between that pristine Model 1909 Argentine Mauser still in cosmoline and any other garden-variety surplus rifle. Yes, I knew what Mausers were, but I couldn't have discussed the differences among them. All I knew was that I wanted that rifle and was willing to put down the 40 silver dollars it took to walk away with it.
I used silver dollars for all gun purchases during that era, and 40 of them was a healthy price for a surplus Mauser. In fact, it was more than the rifle was probably worth on the market at that time, but the Mauser was in considerably better condition than most surplus rifles available during those years. Fortunately, the purchase also included a bag of corrosive military ammo. About half of the cartridges failed to fire despite fairly deep firing-pin indentations on the primer. But somehow that didn't really matter. The rifle shot well, looked great and functioned like a Swiss watch.
Although I've shot the 1909 Argentine extensively through the years, it's been used for nothing more exotic than putting holes in paper or busting dirt clods-but what a dream to shoot. It would be many years before I realized just what a great rifle I had purchased that fateful day. Because 7.65 Argentine ammo was generally unavailable at the time, I was forced to begin reloading centerfire rifle ammo, which was a blessing in disguise. It made me understand how firearms work in much more detail than I would've bothered to learn under other circumstances. It wasn't long before I took simple reloading of Norma cases to another level. I purchased a form/trim die from RCBS and began converting.30-06 cases into 7.65x53mm brass-something that I continue to do to this day. As full-length Model 1909 Argentine Mausers go, this particular specimen is typical of those imported during the 1950s, complete with the Argentine crest ground off the top of the receiver ring.
Since then there have been many Argentines released with the crest intact. To me this has no particular meaning since I bought the rifle as a shooter, and it has exceeded all expectations in that department. On a good day with the open military sights I can put five shots into about a 11?4-inch cluster at 100 yards.
There is no way I can suggest precisely how accurate this rifle is because I've never scoped it. However, for me this rifle is about much more than accuracy. It is an entire package. Fit and finish of the metal parts are beyond mere imagination. Few custom rifles these days are better finished, both internally and externally. In fact, the 1909 Argentine action became one of the favorites of custom riflemakers for decades. This was because it was not only extremely strong but also dimensionally correct and consistent.
Some of the finest custom rifles made have 1909 actions at their core. Open and shut: The Model 1909 Argentine feeds from a five-round box magazine. Countless straight bolts were bent down to produce 'scope-friendly' sporters. Unlike other Mausers of the time, the bolt release continues over the top of the receiver bridge. Yes, I was approached many times over the years by others who suggested that I do any number of things with the rifle to 'make it better.' The first was a common procedure in the late '50s, when small-town gunsmiths routinely reamed the chambers on Argentine Mausers for the.30-06. This procedure made no sense to me at the time, and it makes even less sense to me now.
After all, the bore dimensions for the 7.65 round make it a true.31 caliber while the '06 is a true.30 caliber. Why would anyone want such a combination? I've never seen such a conversion shoot very accurately. Anyway, why fix something that ain't broke? There were also those who suggested I use the action for the basis of a fancy custom rifle.
But if I'd have wanted a custom rifle, I would have it built on an action that came from a surplus rifle with a bad barrel or from a new commercial action. The days of converting military-surplus bolt-actions into sporters is pretty much gone, though. Reasons are legion, including the fact that such a procedure no longer makes economic sense. Relatively few folks these days have access to the machine tools it takes to do a good conversion job, and the market itself has precluded the economic advantage of such conversions. The 7.65mm Argentine cartridge predates any rifles Argentina ever had chambered for it. Technically, it is the 7.65x53mm Mauser cartridge (or 7.65x53mm Belgian Mauser) introduced in the Model 1889 Belgian Mauser rifle. Over the years, a number of other countries adopted the round for military purposes including Bolivia, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru and Turkey.
Argentine Mauser Serial Number Database
Bioshock infinite patch 1.2 download. Military rifles to shoot it were made primarily in Germany as export rifles, but a 'clone' factory was established in Argentina, and many of the Argentine Mausers were made locally. My rifle was made by Berlin's Deutsche Waffen und Munitionsfabriken (DWM), one of the better-known German Mauser manufacturers at the time. It has always fascinated me why the export rifles made for other countries were always so much better made than the rifles Germany made for itself. But that's another story. Model 1909s generally came in two configurations: the full-length rifle and the carbine. I have owned both and prefer the full-length rifle, which weighs a nominal 9.25 pounds.
It has a five-round magazine capacity and sports a 29-inch barrel with.301 bore and.311 groove diameters. The four-groove rifling has a right-hand twist rate of one turn in 9.8 inches. Although the military bullets were.313 of an inch in diameter, the Argentine Mausers shoot.311 and.312 bullets just fine. There were two primary military loadings for the cartridge.
One sent a 211-grain bullet out of the barrel at a nominal 2,132 fps while the later loading shot a 185-grain bullet at 2,467 fps. This is just shy of the modern.308 Winchester cartridge in performance, and it's easy (and safe) to duplicate.308 performance in the Model 1909. (However, it's not a good idea to shoot the faster loads in the earlier '91 Argentines.) Norma factory loads for the 7.65x53mm include a 150-grain bullet at 2,920 fps and a 180-grain bullet at 2,590 fps. The left side of the receiver shows that the author's particular Model 1909 Argentine Mauser was made by DWM.
Sights on the 1909 Argentine are classic Mauser tangent propositions with an inverted-'V' front post and a 'V'-notched rear sight that is calibrated to a 'harassing fire' range of 2,000 meters, with a bottom setting for a 300-meter battle sight. This means that most unaltered rifles shoot roughly four inches high at 100 yards. With judicious handloading, however, you can create loads that shoot right to the point of aim at 100 yards-handy for general use.
Model 1909 Argentines have been available on the surplus market off and on for nearly a half-century. However, most now are odds and ends picked up here and there around the world. Most of the others are available on the regular used market, having been put up for individual sale. I have owned literally hundreds of surplus Mausers from countries around the world.
But somehow, none has quite the same place in my heart as my first Argentine Model 1909. It helped launch my lifelong commitment to the shooting sports. When I have this rifle in my hands, all is right with the world. In many ways it was the best gun deal I ever made.